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| KnightRider June 3, 2004 11:29 PM PDT  I agree. Yes Muniya lets talk about marriages. | ||
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| Road Runner June 3, 2004 08:30 PM PDT Dont turn this into a roadshow. Its just opinions that will obviously differ. Keep an open mind people. | ||
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| Rationale June 3, 2004 04:27 PM PDT Nah no way am/was I angry. :) Now I wasnt being mean and hence a smiley ok? I dont do that. :) For me a smiley (in type) is when I smile when I am typing! :) Anyway, this was fun! | ||
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| kitty June 3, 2004 02:16 PM PDT Thanks for the synopsis, RR. Smiley's do irritate me. Its like- say a mean thing and just to negate the effect, use a silly smiley. Like this- :). Now I am really deviating from the topic at hand. And hey, I hope Rationale is not angry with me... You had justifiable points. | ||
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| Road Runner June 3, 2004 02:10 PM PDT Yes more said than done. Rationale did sway the subject but nevertheless a good topic which should have had its own article. Kitty seems to like to argue with Rationale while the latter keeps controversy at bay with a "smile":) which further aggravates Kitty? | ||
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| kitty June 3, 2004 09:34 AM PDT That is very obvious Nagarajan. When you are used to certain luxuries- like driving in a car, Ac room, eating 3 meals a day..it will be difficult for that person to cope with a bus, staying in a hut or being hungry. The middle class Indian will find it difficult lead a villager's life..When an Indian farmer faces a drought, he cannot survive as well as a tribal from Africa who can hunt and eat raw meat. Yes, you are right- the lesser you have, the more you actually have. | ||
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| muniya June 3, 2004 09:24 AM PDT From: "nagarajan" <> Message: hi . poor Indians are happier because they are practising present moment living;not caring and worrying about future among other classes the spiritual practices keep them going; I was told that during last summer power failure in new york area- people of indian origin are able cope up with the problem better than westernersThe following was posted to your site Reality Check (http://muniya.blogdrive.com) | ||
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| kitty June 3, 2004 05:41 AM PDT you can write on any topic, Rationale here will see to it that we go off track. :) But great going Muniya. Will be around. Good luck. | ||
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| muniya June 3, 2004 01:47 AM PDT SORRY ITS KNIGHT RIDERS SUGESTION Getting confused Why dont you guys come out with your real names??!! What suject intrests this group Shall we take on Love marriges Vs Arranged ones? | ||
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| muniya June 3, 2004 01:41 AM PDT OK..THANX FOR THE COMMENTS OR SHALL I SAY PULLING EACH OTHERS LEG. AS Road runner suggests lets move to other subject Sugest some juicy subject. Shall we take on ARRANGED MARRIAGES VS LOVE MARRIAGES?? | ||
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| KnightRider June 2, 2004 08:50 PM PDT Looks like this has come to an end. Muniya, we need more stuff to bite into. What say? | ||
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| Road Runner June 2, 2004 08:49 PM PDT A lot going on here. Interesting reads. Rationale seems to have a very interesting line of thought. Look forward to reading more like that. | ||
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| kitty June 2, 2004 04:25 PM PDT and who is this Man with pet goat...did he just call me irrational?? | ||
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| kitty June 2, 2004 04:24 PM PDT I agree it was a good discussion. thanks. | ||
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| Man with pet goat June 2, 2004 04:11 PM PDT People who call themselves Rationale will encounter Irrational people. | ||
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| Rationale June 2, 2004 04:04 PM PDT Irrational? A discussion of opinions? Peace treaties are only necessary if theres a war brewing :) and this is only healthy discussion. No need for a call of peace Kitty. Cool! | ||
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| kitty June 2, 2004 03:50 PM PDT 'Irrational' is the right usage.. | ||
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| kitty June 2, 2004 03:50 PM PDT Peace Rationale!! I guess everyone is entitled to their views..however strong and unrational they may be.:) I think we must wait for Muniya to bring out another controvertial topic and fight again. Next time I am not signing any peace treaty with you, OK! | ||
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| Rationale June 2, 2004 03:44 PM PDT Kitty, I did not mean I am thinking of going back. All my views are just based on general observation around me. I dont mean to target you or myself or any ONE person. :) Also never said that you r sceptical about going back to India. And I dont think that everyone in India is happier there or vice versa. :) | ||
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| KnightRider June 2, 2004 03:37 PM PDT Muniya, that was a good comment! But what Kitty asserts about Indian women, though disturbing is probably true. A lot of them come here to the US to escape pressures back home. Kitty, I dont think you can generalise on the fact that Indians are far more happier than people here! Like Rationale says, it is all a matter of opinion. | ||
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| muniya June 2, 2004 03:11 PM PDT The intention of this article was to state the Indian Psyche--Indians generally are Docile, sacrifising, Lay low attitude, Self critical . Westreners are Agresive,Selfish, Dynamic,confident.The Indians should seriously do something to improve their mind set and improve their individual position and then the status of those fellow countrymen who need a helping hand. While this was the intention Rationale has hijacked the subject to Indians at USA and their predicament. So be it. Its a subject which needs to be addresse too .The intelligent, enterprising Indians in USA and other places can do a lot for their Country of origion It is a pain to note that a good number of Educated Indian women are moving to USA to avoid eyebrows being raised. This very statement raises many eyebrows and raises very high. Arent they confident to make thei case for independance staying in India?? | ||
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| kitty June 2, 2004 01:08 PM PDT Rationale, I hope you have made back-up plans on going back.:) wish you all the best! And hey, who's saying that I am skeptical of getting back to India for good. I am just presenting a different point of view. Also I am not really unhappy here. When that happens, maybe I'll pack my bags. I agree that Indians are far more happier than the people here. They have good people around them all the time. I agree that Indians have the 'chalta hai' attidude. But then again, maybe its that attidude which is not helping us strive for better. | ||
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| Rationale June 2, 2004 12:39 PM PDT Muniya--Kitty Your combined ideas bring out a good point there. While Kitty might seem a bit too cynical when it comes to India, another important point is: If someone is unhappy in the US, they could make a consious effort and a 'back-up-plan' to shifting base to wherever they want to go! Its NOT impossible. Or if they cant do it, then as I said bfore make an effort to be happy where u r(revert to the comment by KnightRider about 'later in life') | ||
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| Rationale June 2, 2004 12:34 PM PDT Kitty, I dont think everyone who lives in India would be ridiculing the system & practises there... And I dont think the grass is ALWAYS greener on the otherside. Atleast I would hope not everyone belives in that, cos if so, there wouldnt be ANY content people left on the face of this earth. As for reverse brain drain, PM is only appealing for it, its stull upto the people to decide where they want to try to make a living. And for a lot of people rite now (than before) India is as good an option as any, any a lot of professionals ARE infact going back to India. Still I do not think we can use words like "most" people or "all" , its all a matter of opinion. (For example, What about the %age of women who miss their families terribly and DO want to go back to India? This must be atleast equal to the number of women who love their independence.) | ||
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| Ranjan June 2, 2004 11:03 AM PDT you have a good one going... keep it up! will surely visit again... | ||
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| kitty June 2, 2004 06:57 AM PDT Rationale, Thanks..you have cleverly explained yourself. Your theory does not hold to everyone. I do know many people who are not happy here and are trying their best to go back to India. Without a backup plan, it is difficult to shift base. Also if they have no job in India, they will have to depend on the parents. And that will not be a happy situation. Grass is always greener on the other side. Indians living in India feel that the people in US have a better standard of living and vice-versa. It depends on what you do where. Many women like to stay in the US because they are allowed to be more independent without many eyebrows raised. Tell me Muniya, what is the point in living in India and ridiculing the government, the school system and relatives who bother you? The whole system in general is ridiculed but no one does anything to improve it. Whats the point in having the brain which doesn't function the right way? | ||
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| muniya June 2, 2004 04:51 AM PDT The qulified guys in USA can definatly find a job in India.some job, i mean .may not be the right job- pay pocket definatly not like job at us. but survival with little luxury is not imposible. If the guys r serious yes they can land in a deent job.Reverse brain drain is the need of te hour. PM Manmohan has made an appeal to this effect. As rationale says people should be happy wherever they are. Coefficient of happiness is the ratio of Achievements to Desire. If the Deire is low and achievements high then happiness is high. if the desire is zero then happiness is infinite | ||
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| Rationale June 1, 2004 09:25 PM PDT Kitty, I did not mean to say that ALL berate the country they r in. I just say that SOME do. Nothing can be generalised and there are numerous opinions. Also, I agree that there isnt a job waiting for everyone in India. The gist of my comments were just that people should try to be happy and intelligently support whichever country they r in. And whoever said that if a person likes/r happy in one country they r UNpatriotic? Cant a person like 2 (or more) places and be happy wherever they are? I guess for a lot of people its a case of the "grass being greener...." which again comes to my point that such people should change to really be happy. | ||
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| KnightRider June 1, 2004 09:07 PM PDT I think Rationale has got it rite! Well.. ALMOST! :) While there is nothing wrong in being 'rich' monetarily... at the end of the day, *most* ppl tend to look back on their life. And it is *best* not to have regrets..rite? Granted that India probably doesnt have much oppurtunites for 'all' fields, which brings me to suspect that Rationale could only be a CS grad! ;) (rationale==logic) But again, IF a person is misarable in a place why stay there. In that aspect I totally agree with Mr/Ms Logic!:) | ||
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| Muniya June 1, 2004 08:58 PM PDT Kitty--When I say Indians belittle their country I include Parents too. Parents are sacrifising-Frustration does creep in if children do not meet the expectation of parents and these expectation are not high. Rationale-- You h ave hit the nail on the head. Almost all the people who left villages for cities, left their states to other states in India and the guys who left their country to other country have left for monetary gains. I think one should have the courage of conviction to accept this rather than beating around the bush.There is nothing wrong in aquiring wealth.The guys are happy monetarily but they miss something and feel guilty about it!! thats to be avoided. If they are happy in USA., middle east or any foreign country , so be it. they should continue to stay there and be part of THAT country by becoming citizens of that country unlike LTTE asking for saparate Tamil land or indians at london staying at Southall and most of the guys in USA saying they would like to go back to india next year(X+1 syndrome) Samwise-From Kittys comment u can make out,what i mean . we have a habit of ridiculing everything indian. i have mentioned only a few. Even we ridicule our parents by saying they interfere in our affairs even when we are in 30s or 40s-parents continue to advise. we dont praise their positive attributes If we continue to enumerate we Hindus condemn our religion and rituals, may be they are outdated.. it is with Islam and Christianity. but we are careful to comment lest it may hurt their feelings.or we may be taken to task. We Hindus live for others and find pleasure in others happinesss!!! | ||
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| Samwise June 1, 2004 11:06 AM PDT The last para on Indian parents thing was out of context. I didnt get it. Otherwise yes, thought provoking. I liked the part where you elaborate on the poor kids playing cricket. It was very nice. More like that please. | ||
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| Kitty June 1, 2004 10:38 AM PDT Rationale, What makes you think that everyone who has left India for monetary benefits (which is mostly true) are unhappy in the foriegn land? What makes you think that even if they want to come back to India, there are equal opportunities and a job waiting? Also what makes you think that people berate the foreign country? Its a no win situation buddy! Say you are in the US of A. If you are happy and heap praises of this country, you are charged on being unpatriotic. If you confess that you love to stay in India instead, you are guilty of screwing your happiness. | ||
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| Rationale June 1, 2004 10:03 AM PDT For starters, I think most Indians tend to be a little pessimistic when it comes to the future of their own country. For example, take the Indians living OUTSIDE India; they leave the contry at an early age to seek their fortune across the seas (read USA or for the less academically inclined, the Middle East!). And the minute they set foot on foreign soil they Ooh and Aaah about little things. But after a while (as short a span as a week!) they miss their homeland terribly and vow to go back once they have "made it". They lead their day to day lives with not only fond remembrances of their country but with a rising feeling of "why did I come here". This leads to further discontent and at the end of the day they realise (or dont!) that the ONLY reason they leave their homeland is monetary. I mean, is this all there is to life??? I believe that if a place makes you so UNhappy, why live there? Especially in todays world where one can lead an equally if not more satisfiable life in India. What is the point of staying at one place and berating that country, when it is that very country who is supporting your life. I see this around me so much. Indians living abroad and being oh-so negative about the place they live at. Will they be happy ANYwhere? | ||
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| Kitty June 1, 2004 09:58 AM PDT When you say that Indians belittle their country, isn't it true with parents too. Parents sometimes critisize their children to make them better human beings. Without pointing out flaws, the children will remain ignorant of their short-commings. I agree with your theory of Indian parent being ever sacrificing, but frustration will eventually creep in, won't it? | ||
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